D,
Welcome to the Porsche GB.
While I'm no Porsche expert by any stretch of the imagination, I've seen enough Porsche 911 6 cyl. engines to be 100% quite sure that not a single part was chromed. The Block, Heads, intake manifold etc., were all cast Alloy, and nothing was painted but left in the raw state from the factory.
As your plan states, I concur to strip all that heavy handed chrome plate off, glue up the block and parts as need be, then Air brush with the Metallizer of your choice. The color should be Regular old Aluminum with a good black wash after sealing.
Joel
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 02:07 AM UTC
Ray_from_SA
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 05:40 AM UTC
Going to try to use the incentive of a campaign build to break my slump and get one moving across the workbench, I will be joining in with the BeeMax Porsche 935K2.
Taking a little diversion from the norm and building the green car, I managed to get my hands on a can of the Tamiya Cobalt Green they released for their 934 kit.
Here's hoping being accountable to complete this one will get me headed for the finish line.
Taking a little diversion from the norm and building the green car, I managed to get my hands on a can of the Tamiya Cobalt Green they released for their 934 kit.
Here's hoping being accountable to complete this one will get me headed for the finish line.
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 06:33 AM UTC
D., great to see you here too. Looking with interest to your updates.
Yes, a dull coat probably will give an aluminum look, closer to reality. There is no chrome on European engines. period.
Gabriel
Yes, a dull coat probably will give an aluminum look, closer to reality. There is no chrome on European engines. period.
Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 06:36 AM UTC
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Going to try to use the incentive of a campaign build to break my slump and get one moving across the workbench, I will be joining in with the BeeMax Porsche 935K2.
Taking a little diversion from the norm and building the green car, I managed to get my hands on a can of the Tamiya Cobalt Green they released for their 934 kit.
Here's hoping being accountable to complete this one will get me headed for the finish line.
Very nice entry indeed, Ray!
I guess the second colour scheme is Vaillant green?
Waiting with interest the updates.
Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 08:52 AM UTC
Ray,
Welcome to the GB.
I was so impressed with the BeeWax 935K2 over the Tamiya version that I just not 10 min ago ordered the kit for a build later this year. I'm looking forward to following your build.
Joel
Welcome to the GB.
I was so impressed with the BeeWax 935K2 over the Tamiya version that I just not 10 min ago ordered the kit for a build later this year. I'm looking forward to following your build.
Joel
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Ray, great to see you get your kit on the bench, looking forward to following your progress.
So, the construction commences on my build. Some sub assemblies to get a feel for the plastic and the fit of the parts. All good so far.
I was pondering the next step on the engine as I didn't want to go straight to the Dullcote, it makes the pin washes more of a filter with large tide marks. You know when you wander through the LHS and pick something up with the thought that it would no doubt come in handy one day? Well, this was one of those moments.
Kit chrome -
AK Xtreme Metal Matte Aluminium, directly onto the kit chrome -
Black enamel pin wash -
And the opposite side of the engine -
And the front end -
A few hours to cure and then some Dullcote to lock it in, and I'm happy
Cheers, D
So, the construction commences on my build. Some sub assemblies to get a feel for the plastic and the fit of the parts. All good so far.
I was pondering the next step on the engine as I didn't want to go straight to the Dullcote, it makes the pin washes more of a filter with large tide marks. You know when you wander through the LHS and pick something up with the thought that it would no doubt come in handy one day? Well, this was one of those moments.
Kit chrome -
AK Xtreme Metal Matte Aluminium, directly onto the kit chrome -
Black enamel pin wash -
And the opposite side of the engine -
And the front end -
A few hours to cure and then some Dullcote to lock it in, and I'm happy
Cheers, D
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 01:16 PM UTC
Hi, D.!
It looks the enamels and lacquers stick good on the bare chrome plating - no need for stripping, especially for engine / interior parts.
Looking much better, that's for sure. I'm not sure you need any dullcote right now - I'm curious how's gonna look after that.
Good start on the Porsche!
Gabriel
It looks the enamels and lacquers stick good on the bare chrome plating - no need for stripping, especially for engine / interior parts.
Looking much better, that's for sure. I'm not sure you need any dullcote right now - I'm curious how's gonna look after that.
Good start on the Porsche!
Gabriel
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 01:42 PM UTC
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It looks the enamels and lacquers stick good on the bare chrome plating - no need for stripping, especially for engine / interior parts.
Indeed. I tested it on some chrome sprue before I hit the engine assembly. It dried nicely and quite hard to scrape off.
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Looking much better, that's for sure. I'm not sure you need any dullcote right now - I'm curious how's gonna look after that.
Many thanks, I'm happy with the look as well. I was thinking about Dullcote only to provide a solid surface to fix the other assembly parts to the main assembly. I'm concerned about how much it will dull it down as well, so I might leave it as is and just clean up the fixing points before I place the other parts.
Cheers, D
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 11:41 PM UTC
I managed a couple of hours today to clean up some parts, prime and paint. I thought that since I am going outside my comfort zone doing a late model sports car, I might as well continue the journey and use some bling paint. I found an unopened spray can of Mr Hobby Metallic Red (#75), decanted some of it, degassed it, thinned it with MLT and had a go at airbrushing it on the underside. I like the colour, the metallic flakes look a bit golden (probably due to the red tint), and it airbrushed ok, so I will carry on and use it for the top colour.
I'm going to mask and spray the underbody panels black, that's why they didn't get the whole bling treatment!
Cheers, D
I'm going to mask and spray the underbody panels black, that's why they didn't get the whole bling treatment!
Cheers, D
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As Mister Miyagi famously said, "Mask on, mask off!"
Well, I think I remember him saying that
Cheers, D
Well, I think I remember him saying that
Cheers, D
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 - 08:43 AM UTC
D,
I'm really impressed with how the engine and transmission came out. I'd never have thought that anything we shoot would stick to chromed plastic parts. But you've done the next to impossible.
The wash really makes the engine/Trans assembly look like it should for a daily driver. No need for any Dullcoat from what I can see.
The bottom of the pan really came out looking exceptionally nice. Got to hand it to Mr. Miyagi as his method certainly worked its magic.
Joel
I'm really impressed with how the engine and transmission came out. I'd never have thought that anything we shoot would stick to chromed plastic parts. But you've done the next to impossible.
The wash really makes the engine/Trans assembly look like it should for a daily driver. No need for any Dullcoat from what I can see.
The bottom of the pan really came out looking exceptionally nice. Got to hand it to Mr. Miyagi as his method certainly worked its magic.
Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 - 03:00 PM UTC
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As Mister Miyagi famously said, "Mask on, mask off!"
Well, I think I remember him saying that
You have achieved the black belt in masking with three dans for sure.
The bottom pan looks nice and very neat. Well done!
Gabriel
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Quoted TextBeautiful build first across the line for this Group Build. You've set a great standard for the rest of us to aim at Joel, well done mate.
Cheers, D
I must qualify that statement, you are currently sharing honours with Michael (Cosimodo) as he was first to complete his build, but hasn't loaded images to the GALLERY just yet. I have sent him a PM reminder.
Cheers, D
That's done now.
cheers
Michael
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Distracted for a while and so much progress made on the Porsche front.
Gabriel, your Dr Porsche inspired, carbon fibre wrapped beetle looks fantastic. A bling machine for the ages
And nice ribbon work for the campaign.
Damian, that's bright red. Nice work on the engine! Interesting that Tamiya for mine just gave a single moulded floor pan with half engine and Monogram gives you the works.
And Ray, welcome to Team Vaillant! Nice to see next year's model getting a run.
cheers
Michael
Gabriel, your Dr Porsche inspired, carbon fibre wrapped beetle looks fantastic. A bling machine for the ages
And nice ribbon work for the campaign.
Damian, that's bright red. Nice work on the engine! Interesting that Tamiya for mine just gave a single moulded floor pan with half engine and Monogram gives you the works.
And Ray, welcome to Team Vaillant! Nice to see next year's model getting a run.
cheers
Michael
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Michael, thanks for loading those images up, you did a great job on that build. Thanks for the feedback as well, much appreciated.
Cheers, D
Cheers, D
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A bit more detail work on my build tonight, put some "Burnt Metal" and an oil wash on the exhaust assembly and did some hand painting on the lines on the underside.
Next step is assembling the engine and fitting this and the suspension/steering parts to the underside.
Cheers, D
Next step is assembling the engine and fitting this and the suspension/steering parts to the underside.
Cheers, D
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 01:34 AM UTC
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Ray,
Welcome to the GB.
I was so impressed with the BeeWax 935K2 over the Tamiya version that I just not 10 min ago ordered the kit for a build later this year. I'm looking forward to following your build.
Joel
Hey Joel, unfortunately I've not been impressed with the Beemax kit. Truthfully, I expected more from a new release in both terms of detail, accuracy and mold quality.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 05:49 AM UTC
A little update to my 935 K2 build.
Beemax molded the rear fenders separately so they needed to be glued to the body and then blended so there were no seams:
In the meantime, I masked and painted the center of the wheels gold:
Quite happy with how the wheels came out after spraying, pity that I am going to detail them and then cover them with fairings.
Beemax molded the rear fenders separately so they needed to be glued to the body and then blended so there were no seams:
In the meantime, I masked and painted the center of the wheels gold:
Quite happy with how the wheels came out after spraying, pity that I am going to detail them and then cover them with fairings.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 06:13 AM UTC
Ray,
I'm surprised that you've found issues with the BeeWax molding. What details to you feel that they should address? From what I've seen and discussed with some friends, the kit is a vast improvement over what's on the market today. Also, they brought the kit in at a great retail point. Like the vast majority of today's closed wheel kits, the engine/transmission, suspension areas are only visible from the bottom looking up, so there is no attempt at any topside detailing. Still way better then what Hasegawa offers with their Porsche 962C series, which is truly a curbside kit. Yet I have both variants, and they're not cheap by any means.
One of my friends Chris, posted this on his excellent race-carmodels.proboards list on the Kremer 935K series:
Wikipedia:
In the 1970s, Kremer initially tuned 911s, 914-6 GTs, and 934s. However, with the Porsche 935, Kremer began designating their tuned models with the letter K, followed by a number in order of construction. Eight cars were designated as such.
935 K1 - Their first privately built 935 in 1976
935 K2 - An improvement on K1 in 1977
935 K3 - An attempt to mimic the Evolution bodywork on the factory 935/78s. The most successful 935 variant, due to its technical advantage running an air/air intercooler instead of the air/water units used by the Porsche factory. Winner of Le Mans 24 Hours in 1979.
935 K4 - An all-new variant of the 935 for the early 1980s, featuring a space frame
I'm hoping that BeeWax has molded those fenders with the intent of doin another K variant or two.
Excellent painting of those wheels. Like you said, with the aero covers, not much will be seen, but some of it will, so you've got it covered.
Joel
I'm surprised that you've found issues with the BeeWax molding. What details to you feel that they should address? From what I've seen and discussed with some friends, the kit is a vast improvement over what's on the market today. Also, they brought the kit in at a great retail point. Like the vast majority of today's closed wheel kits, the engine/transmission, suspension areas are only visible from the bottom looking up, so there is no attempt at any topside detailing. Still way better then what Hasegawa offers with their Porsche 962C series, which is truly a curbside kit. Yet I have both variants, and they're not cheap by any means.
One of my friends Chris, posted this on his excellent race-carmodels.proboards list on the Kremer 935K series:
Wikipedia:
In the 1970s, Kremer initially tuned 911s, 914-6 GTs, and 934s. However, with the Porsche 935, Kremer began designating their tuned models with the letter K, followed by a number in order of construction. Eight cars were designated as such.
935 K1 - Their first privately built 935 in 1976
935 K2 - An improvement on K1 in 1977
935 K3 - An attempt to mimic the Evolution bodywork on the factory 935/78s. The most successful 935 variant, due to its technical advantage running an air/air intercooler instead of the air/water units used by the Porsche factory. Winner of Le Mans 24 Hours in 1979.
935 K4 - An all-new variant of the 935 for the early 1980s, featuring a space frame
I'm hoping that BeeWax has molded those fenders with the intent of doin another K variant or two.
Excellent painting of those wheels. Like you said, with the aero covers, not much will be seen, but some of it will, so you've got it covered.
Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 06:21 AM UTC
D,
I'm really impressed on how you detail painted the exhaust as they really take on the look of heated rolled steel and Aluminum.
Your flying through these builds one right after another.
Joel
I'm really impressed on how you detail painted the exhaust as they really take on the look of heated rolled steel and Aluminum.
Your flying through these builds one right after another.
Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 06:43 AM UTC
Joel,
Things I found disappointing:
Method the side panels were molded and mated to rear fender is plain ugly - leaves a lot of difficult to fill and sand joints due to location. The bottom of the side vent was particularly challenging as the joint is in the middle of the vent and there's not a lot of surface to work with.
Seam lines on all the small parts are terrible, it's almost like the mold halves don't line up. Some of the parts which aren't going to visible I gave up on sanding and filling otherwise I would still be working on them.
There's a missing panel line on the front edge of the doors which I elected to scribe.
The lightness of detail on the engine is a non issue - to your points it's a curbside.
Beemax has already announced a K3 variant for 2019 release so your theory on molding the rear fenders the way they did is correct.
Take a lot of long hard looks at reference photos, that's where I've noticed the most in nature of discrepency. I've actually elected to not fix some of the things as I'm doing a pretty much OOB build and don't fancy spending a month working on detailing this one.
Overall, the kit will build into a nice model of the car, just expected more from a kit released in 2018.
Things I found disappointing:
Method the side panels were molded and mated to rear fender is plain ugly - leaves a lot of difficult to fill and sand joints due to location. The bottom of the side vent was particularly challenging as the joint is in the middle of the vent and there's not a lot of surface to work with.
Seam lines on all the small parts are terrible, it's almost like the mold halves don't line up. Some of the parts which aren't going to visible I gave up on sanding and filling otherwise I would still be working on them.
There's a missing panel line on the front edge of the doors which I elected to scribe.
The lightness of detail on the engine is a non issue - to your points it's a curbside.
Beemax has already announced a K3 variant for 2019 release so your theory on molding the rear fenders the way they did is correct.
Take a lot of long hard looks at reference photos, that's where I've noticed the most in nature of discrepency. I've actually elected to not fix some of the things as I'm doing a pretty much OOB build and don't fancy spending a month working on detailing this one.
Overall, the kit will build into a nice model of the car, just expected more from a kit released in 2018.
Joel_W
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 07:21 AM UTC
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Joel,
Things I found disappointing:
Method the side panels were molded and mated to rear fender is plain ugly - leaves a lot of difficult to fill and sand joints due to location. The bottom of the side vent was particularly challenging as the joint is in the middle of the vent and there's not a lot of surface to work with.
Seam lines on all the small parts are terrible, it's almost like the mold halves don't line up. Some of the parts which aren't going to visible I gave up on sanding and filling otherwise I would still be working on them.
There's a missing panel line on the front edge of the doors which I elected to scribe.
The lightness of detail on the engine is a non issue - to your points it's a curbside.
Beemax has already announced a K3 variant for 2019 release so your theory on molding the rear fenders the way they did is correct.
Take a lot of long hard looks at reference photos, that's where I've noticed the most in nature of discrepency. I've actually elected to not fix some of the things as I'm doing a pretty much OOB build and don't fancy spending a month working on detailing this one.
Overall, the kit will build into a nice model of the car, just expected more from a kit released in 2018.
Ray,
Thanks for your detailed reply. I'm going to print it out and put it in my kit box so I don't forget to checkout those numerous issues. Honestly, the reviews and discussions about the kit missed a lot of those issues.
Like you, I'll be building mine OOB as it's still a basically curbside model with a decent interior.
What I've never really understood is every kit manufacture that has molded an open wheel car gets the details basically right, and you get a fully detailed car. Why that's not the case with closed wheel cars as a general rule is beyond me.
Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 09:27 AM UTC
Ray, I'm quite as baffled as Joel with the kit's faults. Prior to this build review, I have read and seen only very good things about BeeMax, but I never put my hands on any.
I see already that you have the skill to deal with such issues, and I'm prepared to watch a nice build.
Cheers!
Gabriel
I see already that you have the skill to deal with such issues, and I'm prepared to watch a nice build.
Cheers!
Gabriel
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 11:33 AM UTC
Very nice work so far Ray, making good progress already. What paint did you use on the rims? I like the gold tone.
Cheers, D
Cheers, D
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 01:55 PM UTC
Some more progress on the 911 "Slant Nose"
Underside components and assemblies all installed, touch-ups and pin wash done, engine decals applied (still drying).
It was quite fiddly getting the rear end supports, half-shafts, shocks and trailing arms to all behave themselves and line up, but I'm fairly happy with how it looks now.
On to the interior next.
Cheers, D
Underside components and assemblies all installed, touch-ups and pin wash done, engine decals applied (still drying).
It was quite fiddly getting the rear end supports, half-shafts, shocks and trailing arms to all behave themselves and line up, but I'm fairly happy with how it looks now.
On to the interior next.
Cheers, D
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