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Ford GT, Tamiya (again)
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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2019 - 08:19 AM UTC
I bought 4 lovely display cases for the 3 car builds on the shelf and could not resist the urge to fill the extra. Ford GT redux. The fit of the part s so fantastic that the flying buttresses just drop in place so my plan is to leave them off, mask all the gluing surfaces to paint separately from the body. It was really tough to get smooth paint down that tunnel. Color scheme rendition thanks to the Ford GT configurator. (It’s like porn )

The scribe is a #96 mill end bit that broke and the tip was ground to a point. Pefect for making the panel lines deeper to have a shot at getting some dark wash in there after all the color and gloss coats.






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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2019 - 06:15 PM UTC
The Ford GT is such a beautiful car. Looking forward to more.
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Posted: Sunday, November 10, 2019 - 06:37 PM UTC

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The Ford GT is such a beautiful car. Looking forward to more.



Ditto, bring it on!
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Posted: Monday, November 11, 2019 - 10:04 PM UTC
Stunning car Marc, that yellow is fantastic!
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 05:10 AM UTC
Not a lot of bench time lately but some. Seats looked pretty uncomfortable and my butt better feel something cushy if I'm laying $600k+ for a car so added some cush for the tush. The nice thing about having seen Voyager episodes so many times, ya only have to listen while ya drill all those holes in the brakes.



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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2019 - 09:23 AM UTC
Marc,

I only wish that was my car. It's simply amazing looking in those pics.

Excellent job on those 4 disc brakes and calipers.

Can't wait to see your next update.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, November 15, 2019 - 04:31 AM UTC
Thanks Joel.


I know the purists are gonna have something to say about this…but… I’m not painting the chassis. The color call outs are black and metal and the parts are already molded that way. I looked at my other GT build an none of this is visible. If I am not painting the interior of an aircraft airframe cuz it’s sealed then that applies here too.

A question for the guys with real car knowledge. If I put the tread pattern on the way the sheet says, top 1/2, there is a distinct shape giving tires/wheels some camber. Put them on the wrong way, bottom ½, wheels sit square up and down tread flat on the ground. Don’t care about the tread but is there that much, if any, camber on a real GT? Problem I have believing the camber is right is that it’s achieved with a misshapen tire, not the suspension.






Some chassis mock up and Brembo brake yumminess.






Red stripes are out after the likely driver was suggested elsewhere…


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Posted: Friday, November 15, 2019 - 07:27 AM UTC
Marc,
Like you, I can't see any reason to prime and paint anything that's just never going to be seen. There are times that I even use black parts that are visible, but I do clear coat them to the proper finish.

As for the tires, from the little I know about the street Ford GT version is that the fronts are smaller then the rears, so you can't rotate the tires in the usual X pattern. But there is no built in tire camber. The issue with the kit tires are most likely from the molding of the kit tires.

Generally speaking there is toe in and negative camber (tops slightly inward) to help keep the car in as straight line under speed. while the rear is neutral or a slight amount of toe out. This varies a great deal as to where the engine is as well as the drive wheels.

The vast majority of models have all 4 wheels usually set at zero toe and zero camber, as that looks most realistic for a static display model.

Joel
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Posted: Friday, November 15, 2019 - 11:23 AM UTC
That’s the basic info I am getting re. the tires. If you look at the tread pattern the large shoulder blocks are supposed to be on the outer edge. Mounting the times, the other way they sit square and even so that’s what’s gonna happen.
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Posted: Friday, November 15, 2019 - 12:03 PM UTC
Marc,
The vast majority of tires especially the fronts wear much faster on the outside and shoulder due to tire roll. So the outside shoulder should have the greatest proportion of rubber that does roll over to the start of the side wall. But the issue is the rear end not the front.

That being said, there is no way that the alignment should look like that especially at the rear even with a completely independent suspension and the weight of the engine/transmission.

But now the plot thickens. In real life the weight of the engine/transmission and rear portion of the body shell pushes down on the rear suspension, causing the rear axle angles to decrease, and become more parallel to the road,thus the tire surface should look square to the pavement.

With the kit I have no idea if this would happen. I'd have to Google some kit build reviews from trusted builders I know, and see what I can find out. I do know one in Mexico whose build was super detailed, and the final result fooled most of us that it was the real deal.

Joel
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Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2019 - 04:56 AM UTC
if you happen to find the link to that one from Mexico would love to see the detailing.
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Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2019 - 06:06 AM UTC
Marc,
Here's the link to his full build which runs 9 pages:

http://race-car-models.proboards.com/thread/1309/2016-lemans-class-winning-finished

And here's a full pictures of the finished model. The wheels are dead square and flat to the ground:





Joel
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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 08:37 AM UTC
Thanks Joel and yowser that's nice. Almost temps me to stop posting.. .NAH!

The grip was stippled with TET to mimic the rough looking rubbery rim of the steering wheel. Tires/wheels, lights, power and cockpit.
Seats are soaking in brakes fluid cuz boy howdy did I ever F those up.







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Posted: Monday, November 18, 2019 - 02:42 AM UTC
Marc,
Outstanding detail painting on all those bits & pcs. The engine details are amazing but talk about not being seen when it's covers are glued on.

The wheels are just spectacular with that Gloss Black finish that so realistically contrasts to the flat Matt rubber tires.

And the interior really looks the part.

Can't wait for the next update.

Joel
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 01:41 AM UTC
I can only echo what Joel have already said. The detail paintwork on the interior is just outstanding.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 10:47 AM UTC
Thanks guys.

So, I bought the very cool little machined valve stems from RB Motion. Then I find this photo as I search for proper placement.
Turns out it's in the little plastic baggie.. No valve stems. If these were Tiger Tiger tank road wheels I would have some clue. No clue here. Whats the deal with this tire? And don't be surprised if i take some artistic license.. maybe... we'll see

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Posted: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 02:57 AM UTC
Marc,
Interesting question.

I do know that today's racing cars tires have a Schrader valve and sealing cap recessed into the outer wheel rim for each AP adjustment especially in Nascarland, as every series has specific wheel/tire regulations.

For street cars like the GT, it all depends on the wheel, not the tire. Since the wheel itself is quite wide and the lip that the tire bead seals against is quite narrow, wheel designers in many cases have moved the location of the tire air valve to the large surface between the front and back of the wheel. That also has the benefit of preserving the overall look of the wheel.



Joel
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2019 - 02:33 AM UTC
3 coats of yellow, decanted and run thru the AB, each followed by an over spray of MLT to help smooth out the surface. Ready for some touch up sanding, black stripes and clear coats.





Re. the valve stems... I found pics of that wheel, or at least close enough that this "not a car guy" can't tell the difference, that has the valves in the rim. In this world where you really cannot trust an online photo from being shopped, I am opting for using the valves just cuz I like 'em.
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2019 - 03:19 AM UTC
Marc,
As for the valve stems, the vat majority on indeed on the rim, but some are hidden in the middle. Just put them where you want them. No one except the guys who actually made those exact wheels would know, and I'm betting that none are members of AutoModeler.

Your color coats are dead on perfect. I do like the application of a thinner between coats to help smooth it out. I've reserved that for some of my over zealous paint jobs, but I really need to get back to a final really thinned out color like 90% thinner to 10% paint.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2019 - 04:57 AM UTC
Thanks Joel. Can't remember from where or who but I seem to recall hearing that the 1:1 custom paint shops will thin the color coats down for each application until they get to almost straight thinner.

Didn't see it the first time but in the wheel you posted above you can just see the hole for the stem inside the wheel at the top. That works for me.
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2019 - 08:23 AM UTC
Glad that I could be of help.

Joel
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2019 - 12:46 PM UTC
This one is moving along nicely Marc, I love the finish you've got on the yellow paint job.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Sunday, December 01, 2019 - 06:57 PM UTC
Paintjob looks great Marc.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 03, 2019 - 02:43 AM UTC
Thanks Jesper


Striped, touched up and trim painted. Ready for clear coats. Rims have been "stemmed".



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Posted: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 - 05:49 AM UTC
Marc,
WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The double Black Stripes coupled with the Yellow shell is just beyond expectations.

Joel